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Počalji od phoenix taj Pon Avg 20, 2012 4:40 am

Belgarijada je delo epske fantastike koje je uz pomoc svoje zene Lije napisao Dejvid Edings '80-ih godina 20. veka.

Serijal nam govori o mladicu Garionu koga na putovanju ka ostvarenju sudbine kao Deteta Svetlosti prate tetka Pol i Stari Vuk. Kako putovanje protice, Garion postaje svestniji svoje duznosti, ali i dara zvanog carobnjastvo. Usput srece zanimljive likove, stice prijatelje, spoznaje cari ljubavi, ali ni neprijatelji ne zaostaju za njim. Garion juri ka ostarenju Prorocanstva, susretu sa Detetom Tame, bogom Torakom.

Serijal Belgarijada se sastoji od 5 knjiga:
- Pion prorocanstva
- Kraljica carobnjastva
- Magijski gambit
- Cudotvorceva kula
- Cudesna zavrsnica

Ipak, ova prica se ne zavrsava, vec nastavlja jos jednim epom od 5 knjiga zvani Malorijada, jer iako se Belgarijada zavrsila, konacni susret Deteta Svetlosti i Deteta Tame se mora desiti jos jednom, kako bi se donela konacna odluka o sudbini sveta. Ali, ko je novo Dete Tame?

Malorijada se sastoji iz sledecih dela:
- Cuvari zapada
- Kralj Murga
- Gospodar demona iz Karende
- Carobnica iz Darsive
- Prorocica iz Kela

http://davideddings.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.laguna.rs/a61_autor_dejvid_edings_laguna.html



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Počalji od Dr.Jackson taj Pon Avg 20, 2012 8:55 am

Brate mili koliko knjiga Shocked


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Počalji od phoenix taj Uto Avg 21, 2012 1:32 am

Pa, taman je sve lepo objasnjeno. Inace, ima jos 2 knjige, Belgarat carobnjak i Polgara carobnica u kojima se, valjda, nalazi istorija citavog tog sveta i radnja se desava pre ove glavne. Sad videh da ima i knjiga Rivanski kodeks (to je valjda nastavak ili sazetak ovih 10 knjiga).
Procitaj malo i ovo:
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Počalji od Elrond Smith taj Pet Jul 12, 2013 2:23 am

Procitao sam prvi serijal i poceo drugi Wink
Mada sam kod drugog serijala malo zastao, jer imam efekat deja vu
ali vraticu mu se vec hehehe
koji vam je omiljeni lik iz ovog serijala knjiga? Smile
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Počalji od Teal'C taj Pet Jul 12, 2013 6:15 am

Oba serijala sam čitao : D
Nerviraju me Polgara, Se Nedra i još poneko Very Happy
I nervira me to što se sve vrti oko Alorna :P
I Arendi i Tolnedarci moraju da pomažu Alornima u etničkim čišćenjima Angaraka :P Mislim...
Oba serijala se svode na to da se Angaraci ili istrebe ili da im se vera uništi :P
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Počalji od phoenix taj Pet Jul 12, 2013 11:48 pm

Elrond Smith, taj deja vu je namenski. Iako se moze steci utisak da se radnja ponavlja, mene to ne sprecava da uzivam u knjigama.

Teal'C, ne znam da li si ceprkao po netu nesto oko serijala. Znas li da je Edings ovo poceo da pise iz nekoliko razloga. Na prvom mestu, jer mu se svideo svet koji je stvorio, i mapa koju je nacrtao na salveti jednog restorana. Ali, jedan od bitnijih razloga, jeste taj sto je zeleo da napise dobro delo epske fantastike, i pritom isparodira taj isti zanr. Zato, nemoj da se cudis sto je sve preterano crno-belo, sto zapad ide protiv istoka, i tako dalje. To mu je i bila namera.

Ovo je pre svega jedna porodicna prica, stavljena u neki izmisljeni svet, sa namerom da nasmeje citaoca i odvede ga malo dalje od surove realnosti.


Sto se tice omiljenog lika... Ne znam, Svileni je univerzalno najomiljeniji lik, cak i samom autoru, ali meni se najvise svidja Beldin! :p:

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Počalji od Teal'C taj Sub Jul 13, 2013 12:00 pm

Svileni ? :p:
Kal Zakat bre i Tot dva najbolja lika
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Počalji od phoenix taj Ned Jul 14, 2013 12:52 am

Svileni je omiljen medju fanovima, a i samom autoru je bilo najzanimljivije pisati njegov lik.

Meni je, kao sto rekoh, omiljeni Beldin, jer je jedini koji moze da razoruza bilo koji drugi lik.

Tot je zanimljiv. Very Happy 

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Počalji od Elrond Smith taj Uto Jul 16, 2013 11:19 pm

@ phoenix
pa to i ja pricam... ponavlja se. Da, citam i dalje, ali ta repetitivnost zaista zna da smori, jer je kraj vrlo predvidiv u skoro svakoj knjizi.

To me podsjeca na nacin pisanja Terry Goodkind-a i njegov "Seeker of the truth" serijal. Imam sve knjige, znatno su detaljnije i obimnije od Belgarijade i Molarijade, ali Terry ima isti problem... ne umije da napravi zavrsnicu, a cesto zna da ponovi identicne recenice u razlicitim knjigama.
To ima i prednosti, jer neko moze da procita bilo koju knjigu iz serijala i opet ce skapirati osnovne stvari i moze uzivati u knjizi.
Ali onima koji citaju sve knjige to zna i da zasmeta.

Sto se glavnih likova ovdje tice izgleda da se svi slazemo oko "glavna" tri lika Wink
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Počalji od phoenix taj Čet Jul 18, 2013 2:29 am

Da, u pravu si, i ja to, naravno primecujem, ali mi ne smeta preterano. Belgarijada i Malorijada su tu, uvek, kao lakse stivo, koje moze da odmori od napora i stresa.

Posto cisto sumnjam da ce raditi srpsko izdanje, ja sam nabasala na neke PDF verzije engleskog izdanja prequel-a, Belgarata Carobnjaka, Carobnice Polgare i Rivanskog kodeksa, i veoma mi je zanimljivo da ih citam, na engleskom. Mozda moze da se bolje oseti originalna zamisao, i humor autora, nego kada citamo prevode, jer neki delic sarma moze da se izgubi.
Moze se reci da su pisani u istom stilu kao i ostale knjige, ali bitna razlika je sto su pisani u prvom licu. To ne vazi za Rivanski Kodeks, jer mu to dodje kao neka enciklopedija, tj. koliko sam bacila pogled, skup "svetih tekstova" iz price.

Zbog onih koji nisu citali Belgarata Carobnjaka.:
Ono sto mi se najvise svidja, je kako je opisana bitka kod Vo Mimbra.

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Počalji od Elrond Smith taj Čet Jul 18, 2013 6:27 am

Hmmm nisam nabasao na to jos, ali zvuci interesantno.
Kako vecinu dana provodim pred kompjuterom (preko 10-12 sati dnevno) nemam snage da jos i citam knjige preko "ekrana" Wink
Probacu da ih nadjem na amazonu pa kada budem pravio sledecu kupovinu mozda ih i ukljucim hehehe
Problem je sto ima toliko knjiga koje vec zelim da kupim!!!
A i ovi nasi su poceli zaista da smaraju sa PDV-om i carinom.
Ako i to pocnem da placam na kraju ce ispasti da ce knjige kostati trecinu svote koju izdvojim za kupovinu!! ??? 

Ponekad mi se, doduse, omakne da knjige procitam preko tableta, ali to je rijetko i obicno kada papirno izdanje i ne postoji ili kada nesto zaista zelim da sto prije procitam.
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Počalji od phoenix taj Pet Jul 19, 2013 2:09 am

To je kul.
Ja cisto sumnjam da ce Laguna izdavati ove 3 knjige, jer imam utisak da nisu nesto dobro prosli sa citavim serijalom od 10 knjiga... Proslo je, cini mi se 3 godine otkad je izdat poslednji deo, Prorocica iz Kela.

Inace nebitno, ali jeste li primetili da korice knjige iz Malorijade formiraju nesto kao mapu? Ako se bolje pogleda, na svakoj knjizi se pored glavnog motiva (crteza) u pozadini nalazi i motiv sa prethodne knjige. Very Happy

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Počalji od Elrond Smith taj Pet Jul 19, 2013 7:58 am

hmmm to mi je promaklo :p: 

Sto se amazona tice ozbiljno razmisljam da knjige adresiram na prijatelja u EU, pa kada dodje da mi donese.
Na taj nacin cu ili fino da ustedim ili da kupim jos koju knjigu umjesto da placam PDV+Carinu...
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Počalji od phoenix taj Sub Jul 20, 2013 12:22 am

Zvuci kao dobar plan! Very Happy

Najjaca je fora sto sam ja propustila da kupim englesko dzepno izdanje te 3 knjige, a imale su da se kupe u Delfi knjizari u SKC-u...
Tad, kad sam ih videla, nisam bila pri parama, pa rekoh sebi "sledeci put". Cvrc, kasnije ih nije bilo. Sad 

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Počalji od Elrond Smith taj Sub Jul 20, 2013 1:15 am

Znam, tako sam i ja prosao sa vise naslova... Crying or Very sad 

Kod mog plana je jedina falinka sto cu se onda nacekati dok ne dobijem knjige, ali ima i tome lijeka ... uvijek ima dosta knjiga za citanje, a ovo kada dodje dodje Wink
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Počalji od Teal'C taj Čet Avg 01, 2013 12:27 am

Spojler:
Ne sviđa mi se bitka kod Vo Mimbra, previše je glupo a i ova bitka koju predvodi Se Nedra kad oni pobede preko 4 miliona Murga, Nadraka, Tula i još skoro toliko Malorijanaca. Previše glupo i nerealno.
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Počalji od Elrond Smith taj Čet Avg 01, 2013 8:02 am

Kao sto ja i ranije rekoh, lik ne umije da pravi zavrsnice.
Knjige su ok sve dok ne dodje do "glavnog raspleta" kada mi je vise puta pripalo muka... Crying or Very sad 
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Počalji od Dr.Jackson taj Čet Avg 01, 2013 9:10 am

Mislim da , koliko sam ja vec upoznat , taj lik je napisao takve rasplate , jer je zeleo da napravi satiru na racun EF-a Wink 

Zapravo , zeleo je da ismeje sam zanr koji je nerealan do bola Zezanje Laughing 

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Počalji od Elrond Smith taj Čet Avg 01, 2013 10:00 am

pa nisam bas siguran
a sigurno nije ni jedini koji ne umije da napravi zavrsnice
odakle ti takva ideja uopste?
"neka njegova izjava" (cik da mu povjerujemo, a da to nije samo izgovor) ili "cuo/procitao sam da je neko rekao"
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Počalji od phoenix taj Pet Avg 02, 2013 1:19 am

Da se to procitati u njegovim intervjuima. Mislim da je u pocetku hteo da napravi sprdnju, ali se malo zaneo, pa mu se svidelo sta radi. :p:

Ali, da, zavrsnice mu jesu malo predvidljive.
Mene briga, volim ove knjige, hehe.


Evo njegovog intervjua iz 2007. godine.
Intervju:
Interview with David Eddings

By Patrick (2006-02-24)

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Dear Mr. and Mrs. Eddings, let me begin by thanking you for graciously accepting to do this interview. You are undoubtedly very busy putting the finishing touches to THE YOUNGER GODS, so we appreciate the fact that you are willing to take the time to answer these questions.

After what can only be called an illustrious and prolific career, what motivates you to keep on writing?

I keep writing because it's a habit. After fifty years or so I just can't set it aside.

Following a tenure of about two decades with Del Rey, you elected to put an end to that relationship and sign with Time Warner Books. Was there a reason behind that move? After so long, was the decision to part ways with Del Rey a difficult one to make?

After the German Company Berstelsmann bought Random House, they decided to cut back the amount of money they were willing to pay authors for new books (so the publisher would make more profit.) My agent put "The Dreamers" up for offers. Bertelsmann didn't offer much, but Warner Books did.

With the release of THE YOUNGER GODS, the series THE DREAMERS will reach its end. Any future projects on the horizon?

Nothing very specific. I'm looking into several possibilities.

How strong is the temptation to return to the worlds of your previous series? Do you have any plans to do so?

No. Those books are finished, so I won't tinker with them.

What advice would you give a younger David Eddings concerning his writing career? Looking back, would you have done anything differently?

I think a passage from "THE RIVAN CODEX" (a non-fiction book) should give you an answer:

This is what I was talking about earlier when I suggested most aspiring fantasists will lose heart fairly early on. I was in my mid-teens when I discovered that I was a writer. Notice that I didn't say "wanted to be a writer." "Want" has almost nothing to do with it. It's either there or it isn't. If you happen to be one, you're stuck with it. You'll write whether you get paid for it or not. You won't be able to help yourself. When it's going well, it's like reaching up into heaven and pulling down fire. It's better than any dope you can buy. When it's not going well, it's much like giving birth to a baby elephant. You'll probably notice the time lapse. I was forty before I wrote a publishable book. A twenty-five year long apprenticeship doesn't appeal to very many people.

In light of the current market, are you tempted to write one of those enormous fantasy epics which continue to be the most successful series at the moment?

I'll turn 75 in July this year, so I won't attempt any multi-book stories. "One book" is the rule now. When I was writing "The Redemption of Althalus" I had a large note pinned to the wall above my desk that said "ONE BOOK!!" Althalus proved to me that I can tell a story in a single book.

What do you feel is your strength as a writer/storyteller?

Characters. My people are as real as I can make them.

After producing all those bestsellers and selling millions of copies worldwide, is there added pressure when it comes to writing new series/novels, knowing that the expectations will always be high?

I'm not an egomaniac. I'll write what I want to write. If the readers don't like it, tough noodgies.

What was the spark that generated the idea which drove you to write THE BELGARIAD, THE MALLOREON, THE ELENIUM, THE TAMULI, and THE DREAMERS?

I think it's time to go back to "THE RIVAN CODEX:"

I was convinced that I was a "serious novelist," and I labored long and hard over several unpublished (and unpublishable) novels that moped around the edges of mawkish contemporary tragedy. In the mid 1970s I was grinding out "Hunsecker's Ascent" a story about mountain-climbing which was a piece of tripe so bad that it even bored me. (No, you can't see it. I burned it.) Then one morning before I went off to my day-job, I was so bored that I started doodling. My doodles produced a map of a place that never was (and is probably a geological impossibility). Then feeling the call of duty, I put it away and went back to the tripe table.

Some Years later I was in a bookstore going in the general direction of the "serious fiction." I passed the science-fiction rack and spotted one of the volumes of The Lord of the Rings. I muttered, "Is this old turkey still floating around?" Then I picked it up and noticed that is was in the seventy-eighth printing!!! That got my immediate attention, and I went back home and dug out the aforementioned doodle. It seemed to have some possibilities.
Were you asked to participate to the LEGENDS anthology?

No. They wanted short fiction, and I write long fiction.

Is there a reason why there is no "official" website dedicated to your work? With so many authors with their own websites, many fans find it odd that there is nothing out there about you and your books.

I don't own (or want) a computer. I don't even use a typewriter. (Maybe that made her sulky and she shut down to get even with me.) You're looking at the form of copy I send to my typist. She has no trouble with it. I've been using this form for years. (I can't even read my script writing.)

Note from interviewer: Interview was received handwritten, via fax)

PAWN OF THE PROPHECY was first published in 1983. How does it feel to see it still in print and on bookstores' shelves after more than 20 years?

Lester del Rey told me, "You've written a classic." It will probably still be in bookstores long after I'm gone.
THE SEERESS OF KELL hit number 1 on the NYT list. A select few fantasy authors have achieved this feat since then. Describe how you felt when the book topped the charts.

After the success of "The Belgariad" I wasn't at all surprised when "Seeress" hit the top. The popularity of the previous books made "The Seeress" almost inevitable for number one.

Do you read a lot of fantasy? If so, what authors/series rank among your favorites?

I do not read other fantasy books. I have a sub-conscious burglar lurking in my mind. If I read a good fantasy, six months later it's mine, and it's likely to show up in my next book.

How would you like to be remembered as an author? What is the legacy you'll leave behind?

My books will be around for a while, but the opinion of the readers is up to them, not me.

THE DREAMERS was not welcome with the same sort of enthusiasm habitually associated with your books by both the fans and the critics. Was there ever a time when you considered making certain changes to the series based on readers' feedback, or was such a thought never even an alternative?

I don't take orders from readers. The multi point of view in "The Dreamers" was derived from "The Alexandria Quartet" by Lawrence Durell. It does get a bit repetitious (as my editors have all advised me). Durell's quartet involved politics, but mine involved war. It's been cleaned up, but it was very tedious in the original form.

(Nobody's perfect.)

Readers from the 80s hold you and a number of other authors in high esteem. But the "new" generation of fantasy readers doesn't always consider your novels with the same regard. Admittedly, the fantasy market has changed dramatically since the emergence of writers such as Robert Jordan, Tad Williams, George R. R. Martin, Terry Goodkind, and many others. But do you feel that this "new" generation gives your books and those of Raymond E. Feist, Terry Brooks, etc, the respect they deserve? Because without such authors to pave the way, there is no Jordan, Martin, Erikson, etc.

As I said in #14, I do not read fantasy books by other authors, I'm not equipped to answer this point.
There's always a sense of camaraderie pervading your books, with people you genuinely care about because they genuinely care about each other. How do you go about infusing your works with this bantering energy? What part of your own life do you draw from to create this atmosphere?

I listen carefully when people talk to each other, so I recognize various attitudes. "I like you" is a good approach to conversation. (But so is "I hate you.") Conversations in books must be realistic, or the book will collapse. The characters must have their own peculiarities.

After creating a number of fantasy universes, what part of world building do you enjoy the most?

I create people and places that I find very interesting (almost always derived from real places). I like some people and places and I hate some of the others. For some reason the ones I like always win. Isn't that odd?

What do you think draws people to fantasy? Is there something people can get from this genre that they can't get otherwise? That is, does fantasy offer something no other genre can?

Fantasy takes people away from the real world and almost everybody dislikes the real world.

Once again, many thanks for accepting to do this. We wish you continued success and best of luck with the release of THE YOUNGER GODS. In addition, when posts were made inviting fans to submit their questions for this interview, a multitude wished to simply thank you for all the wonderful stories you have shared with us in the last two decades or so. May you continue to capture our imagination for years to come!
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Počalji od Elrond Smith taj Pet Avg 02, 2013 9:11 am

Ma moze on da kaze sta god hoce, ali je cinjenica da do sada nije napisao niti jednu jedinu zavrsnicu da valja... mislim, makar da pokaze da zna da to uradi?!?!?
Sooooo.... no! Nema pojma sa zavrsnicama.
Dok ne napise neku da valja necu povjerovati da to zaista zna i da uradi.
Kao sto rekoh nije jedini...
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Počalji od phoenix taj Sub Avg 03, 2013 12:58 am

U pravu si, slazem se za to za zavrsnice.

Inace, Edings se upokojio 2009. godine, a cini mi se da mu je zena umrla dve godine ranije.

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Počalji od Elrond Smith taj Sub Avg 03, 2013 9:42 pm

Bah... nisam znao da je "otisao"...
Kako nasi i dalje izbacuju knjige svake godine nije mi ni palo na pamet... nekako sam podrazumijevao da i dalje tipka nove price
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Počalji od Teal'C taj Sub Avg 03, 2013 9:58 pm

umro Tolkin Sad Sad
umro Džorda Sad 
umro Edings Crying or Very sad 
Odoh i ja Sad
:goodbuy:  Cu da se roknem 
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Počalji od phoenix taj Ned Avg 04, 2013 3:31 am

Eh, nemoj tako! Wink

Molimo se da Martin ne ode skoro. Smile


Elronde, ima on i radova osim ovih. Dve povezane serije "Elenium" i "Tamuli", ako se ne varam. Pojedinacnu seriju od 4, valjda, knjige "Dreamers". Dve knjige pre Belgarijade, i cini mi se, poslednju knjigu "Redemption of Althalus". Tako da, dosta je toga za citanje. Smile

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